"Ask Rawson Thurber" discussion

Would I be right if I quote Yogurt the Magnificent: "The soytch for more money"? </quote:3ca6122f75>

Clearly, the Schwartz is strong in this one!</quote:3ca6122f75>


*groans*

<quote:7826e1e3d4="RichardPini"><quote:7826e1e3d4="Mino uche"><quote:7826e1e3d4="RichardPini">...Sequels get made for one, count 'em, <b:7826e1e3d4>one</b:7826e1e3d4> reason. Can you guess what that reason is?</quote:7826e1e3d4>
Would I be right if I quote Yogurt the Magnificent: "The soytch for more money"? </quote:7826e1e3d4>

Clearly, the Schwartz is strong in this one!</quote:7826e1e3d4>

<i:7826e1e3d4><b:7826e1e3d4>Addendum:</b:7826e1e3d4></i :7826e1e3d4>

I have been corrected by Elfmom on a technicality. While good box office is indeed the holy grail of any Hollywood studio, the underlying measure of a movie's success is its ability to - as they say - put butts in seats. If a movie puts a lot of butts in seats at the local cinema or movieplex, it generates <b:7826e1e3d4>both</b:7826e1e3d4> buzz and revenue.

So it's not <b:7826e1e3d4>only</b:7826e1e3d4> about how much a movie makes. It's also about the number of people who see it, and the heat (hopefully good) they generate to their friends, and how many gallons of slurpee they buy, and so on.

Every one of you has a butt. When the EQ movie comes out, your mission will be not only to park yours in a seat, but also to motivate - ask, beg, wheedle, cajole, seduce, demand - all your friends to park theirs as well. And then have all those friends tell their friends and - well, you get the idea.

Which may then result in Elfquest 2!

[quote:9de7b7d65d="Tymber"][quote:9de7b7d65d="RichardPi ni"]
Every one of you has a butt. When the EQ movie comes out, your mission will be not only to park yours in a seat, but also to motivate - ask, beg, wheedle, cajole, seduce, demand - all your friends to park theirs as well. And then have all those friends tell their friends and - well, you get the idea.
Which may then result in Elfquest 2![/quote:9de7b7d65d]

Oh. You don't know me. I will push ElfQuest very hard when it comes out. :)[/quote:9de7b7d65d]
me too! (assuming it will be a worldwide release, which is the only way for me to park any butts! so make it worldwide! :))
already got the 'ok ok I'll come along' from my non-fan boyfriend... and many more will follow once there's more known!

<quote:ee71505d02="Laurel"><quote:ee71505d02="RichardPi ni"><quote:ee71505d02="Minouche"><quote:ee71505d02="Ric hardPini">...Sequels get made for one, count 'em, <b:ee71505d02>one</b:ee71505d02> reason. Can you guess what that reason is?</quote:ee71505d02>
Would I be right if I quote Yogurt the Magnificent: "The soytch for more money"? </quote:ee71505d02>

Clearly, the Schwartz is strong in this one!</quote:ee71505d02>


*groans*</quote:ee71505d02>

<color=red:ee71505d02>Okay... this might be off topic... but... what de... is a Schwartz? :? </color:ee71505d02>

<quote:9b49ed3953="Tymber">
Comes from a STAR WARS spoof called <url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094012/><b:9b49ed3953 >Spaceballs</b:9b49ed3953></url>.</quote:9b49ed3953>



The Phantom of the Opera (1925)
- When Dark Helmet lures Princess Vespa ouside of Yogurt's hideout
It Happened One Night (1934)
- Lone Starr gives up his reward, and only takes recovery of expenses. In It Happened One Night, Peter also gives up on his reward, and takes only accomodation recovery. In both cases, this is a sign for the female character of his love
The Wizard of Oz (1939)
- When the four main characters walk towards Yoghurt's statue in fear, the scene resembles the scene in The Wizard of Oz, when they walk towards the wizard. There's also an analogue between each character: Barf being the lion, Dot Matrix the tin man, Vespa is Dorothy and Lone Starr the straw man
One Froggy Evening (1955)
- The chestburster dons a tophat and cane and sings like Michigan J. Frog.
The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957)
- The dinks march to the film's main theme, but instead of whistling, they say "Dink"
Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
Fantastic Voyage (1966)
"Star Trek" (1966)
- The whole beaming up scene of President Skroob. Also, Snotty is a refernce to Scotty
Planet of the Apes (1968)
- The head of the Statue of Liberty maid falls on the beach, in a manner very similar to the ending of Planet of the Apes
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Ryan's Daughter (1970/I)
- Princess Vespa mimics Rosy Ryan's dress, parasol and beach walks as she enters the "Lawrence of Arabia" desert scene.
Jaws (1975)
- The opening theme of the Main Spaceball ship is the jaws theme... spoofing the large shark chasing it's prey as the ship is chasing theirs.
Star Wars (1977)
- The movie is one big spoof of Star Wars
"Fantasy Island" (1978)
Alien (1979)
- A chestburster bursts through the chest of a crew member played by John Hurt who played Kane in Alien.
Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
- Yogurt is a parody of Yoda
"The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy" (1981)
Stripes (1981)
- Lone Star & Barf beat up the guards and put on their uniforms by getting them to go into the Winnebago
Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)
- Pizza the Hut is a parody of Jabba the Hutt
Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986)
"Max Headroom" (1987)

Those and more, many more. Brooks movies are basically a mise en abîme of intertext, references, and parodies of the worst movie clichés.
We're safe to bet - at least I hope so - that the EQ movie isn't going to be that king of a movie. At any rate, this family counts 5 butts for sure and maybe more if we manage to drag our friends there

It's really fun to come back from vacation to this new thing! Please thank Mr. Thurber for us, Richard!

Still trying to come up with a really [i:97262e81d2]good [/i:97262e81d2]question. . .

butt-count here is on 3, but will make it more! though I think I have better chances around the time the movie actually comes out, heehee ;)

anyways, did somebody send in a question about only-US release vs worldwide release? At least to ask if they want to try for worldwide? (if not, my butt-count doesn't help one bit... nope )

<quote:9d1c43b7ea="Minouche">Those and more, many more. Brooks movies are basically a mise en abîme of intertext, references, and parodies of the worst movie clichés.
We're safe to bet - at least I hope so - that the EQ movie isn't going to be that king of a movie. At any rate, this family counts 5 butts for sure and maybe more if we manage to drag our friends there </quote:9d1c43b7ea>

And today's expression, boys and girls, is <url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mise_en_abyme>"m ise en abîme."</url> I must admit that that one was new to me. :)

Anyway, I don't see that those are mutually exclusive. It must be possible to enjoy a movie and still have fun with its parody. In fact, we seem to be doing so right now. Star Wars seems to be pretty universally enjoyed on this forum, and yet here we are making Spaceballs references.

I think very few movies really are above being parodied. The ones most safe from that has to be those that are based on <i:9d1c43b7ea>real</i:9d1c43b7ea> human tragedies, since that would be hard to do without being accused of making light of the events they are based on. You're not going to see much satirization of "Hotel Rwanda" or "United 93" or any Holocaust movie. But clearly, Elfquest doesn't fall into that category. And frankly, it's not as if Elfquest is above any clichés to hang on to.

Personally, I'm looking forward to it. When the parodies arrive (<i:9d1c43b7ea>good</i:9d1c43b7ea> parodies like those made by Mel Brooks or Mad Magazine in their prime) you know you have made it. After all, the comics begot Bill Neville's Tiny Toons-inspired spoofs.

Is that kinda like, you know you've made it in music when Weird Al Yankovic does your song?

I always did dig a good parody.

Yngvar, I use the terms mise en abîme, because I don't know another way of saying it: I'm French after all .
As far as parody is concerned, I love it very much. I am a fan of Mel Brooks (Mad however isn't aging well...or maybe, I'm not :? )
I was just saying that, as far as I understand, this is not what is planned for the EQ movie, but hey, I may be wrong.
No subject is really taboo, it's just a matter of how and why it is "spoofed". Get to know a Jewish community really well, and you'll hear quite a lot of jokes about persecution and the Shoah. A French writer/actor/musician named Boris Vian said that humor is the polite way for despair to show.
to get back to lighter stuff: bring the EQ movie out to the theater, and I'll go to the theater to watch it.

<quote:2f62affeaa="Minouche">Yngvar, I use the terms mise en abîme, because I don't know another way of saying it: I'm French after all .</quote:2f62affeaa>

And I'm Norwegian, and you don't have to worry about a thing. I'm always in favor of learning something new. That reminds me, there is a thread for that around here somewhere, isn't there?

<quote:2f62affeaa="Minouche">As far as parody is concerned, I love it very much. I am a fan of Mel Brooks (Mad however isn't aging well...or maybe, I'm not :? ) </quote:2f62affeaa>

Well, that's why I said "in their prime." Mel Brooks hasn't really topped "Young Frankenstein" or "Blazing Saddles" either, has he?

<quote:2f62affeaa="Minouche">I was just saying that, as far as I understand, this is not what is planned for the EQ movie, but hey, I may be wrong.</quote:2f62affeaa>

Depends on what you mean by "this." Nobody ever <i:2f62affeaa>plans</i:2f62affeaa> to make a lousy movie. (Except maybe the protagonists in The Producers. ) Clichés is something that happens because the creators can't think of something original, or, frankly, because they belong there. After all, what we see as "clichés" must have started out as a good idea at some point since they were repeated so often.

<quote:2f62affeaa="Minouche">No subject is really taboo, it's just a matter of how and why it is "spoofed". Get to know a Jewish community really well, and you'll hear quite a lot of jokes about persecution and the Shoah. A French writer/actor/musician named Boris Vian said that humor is the polite way for despair to show.</quote:2f62affeaa>

Well, they can do it because it applied to them. But if <i:2f62affeaa>outsiders</i:2f62affeaa> made fun of it...

Hm. I just remembered the <url=http://www.hogansheroesfanclub.com/images/magazine Mad108January1967Page8Medium.gif>last page</url> of the Mad Magazine satire of <url=http://www.hogansheroesfanclub.com/collectiblesMad Magazine.php>"Hogan's Heroes."</url>

<quote:2f62affeaa="Minouche"> to get back to lighter stuff: bring the EQ movie out to the theater, and I'll go to the theater to watch it.</quote:2f62affeaa>

And I'd join you. Well, if we were anywhere close to each other. :)

[color=darkblue:4c328dc0be]We need a bus to do this right- a big honkin bus with EQ painted on the front and a half nekkid skywise painted on one side and, oh, Shenshen on the other and we'd all haul off to the movie- and wed look like total comic nerds [but then we kind of are] but wed be rolling in style! and everyone would hop out and wed mob thetheatre wearing our cutter bellbottms and khavi hats and our floppy fake ears- and you know, that would be kinda sweet.

cause if im going im going in costume. and i better not be the only one...[/color:4c328dc0be]

[quote:df08c82f09="Thitida-No-Chey"][quote:df08c82f09=" WhiteGhost"][color=darkblue:df08c82f09]
cause if im going im going in costume. and i better not be the only one...[/color:df08c82f09][/quote:df08c82f09] Let me lose some 15 kilos of FAT and dye my hair red, you've got yerself a Nightfall ;)[/quote:df08c82f09]
I'll be Joyleaf, if I may! I'll get the curls, have the blond hair, and hopefully some good outfit ;) I won't even dream of getting that figure, that's impossible ;)

[quote:2ad80523fa="Thitida-No-Chey"][quote:2ad80523fa=" faeriegirl"]
I'll be Joyleaf, if I may! I'll get the curls, have the blond hair, and hopefully some good outfit ;) I won't even dream of getting that figure, that's impossible ;)[/quote:2ad80523fa]NOTHING is impossible with corsets ... But it is a painful experience, I can vouch for that![/quote:2ad80523fa]
ugh, corsets! no thank you... ;)