Occupy Wherever Street

Any thoughts on the Occupy Wall Street protest, or its counterparts in your home state or city?

I think Gerald Celente has pointed out what needs to be said:

http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/2011/10/global -uprising-protests-spread-all.html


Global Uprising : Protests spread all over the world

The politicians can NEVER stop this. People around the world are totally fed up. It is just a matter of time before we see several hundred thousands, or even millions, on the streets of Washington, New York, London, Berlin, Madrid, Rome, Brusells... Expect one thing though: When the biggest banksters realize they have lost, they will pull the plug and create total economic and financial chaos in the world. They will "revenge" no matter what.

I wrote this one year ago:

"EU has quite simply turned into the worship of the beast, which means the worship of the strongest.

It is no longer a question if civil wars will break loose, it's when, and it will happen in a very short time."

http://www.elfquest.com/social/index.php?do=/forum/-31/ what-are-you-wondering-now/view_500838/

That was long before I had heard of Gerald Celente and Alex Jones.

I have later learned that many of those on top in the EU system are Freemasons, and Freemasons worship Lucifer, but this is usually not known among those on the lower levels. (...and those who worship him usually claim that he is greatly misunderstood.) That is the kind of people running Europe for the moment.

I think it's about time! We've been shafted by the uber rich long enough. I just heard on the radio today that CEOs of even failing corporations make 500-1 the pay of their employees.

Here's the salary of John Chambers of Cisco:

2009 - Total compensation of $12,788,498, which included a base salary of $375,000, a cash bonus of $2,031,000, stocks granted of $10,372,500, and other compensation worth $9,998.[11]
2008 - Total compensation of $18,767,149, which included a base salary of $375,000, a cash bonus of $3,002,802, stocks granted of $6,442,000, and options granted of $8,938,260.[12]
2007 - Total compensation of $12,801,773, which included a base salary of $350,096, a cash bonus of $3,500,000 and options granted of $8,944,000.

Who gives themselves a cash bonus of over 2 million dollars? During a recession? His base salary is in the 300,000 range- that should be enough for anyone. But he gives himself a bonus of 2-3 million dollars...plus stocks and options worth 8 million.

Meanwhile, Cisco is laying off 5,000 employees. There has been some mismanagement and Cisco is not doing well. They figure 5000 layoffs will save the company about 1 billion dollars per year. Guess what? They could save almost that much by firing one CEO and retaining all 5000 employees.

Can you imagine making close to a billion dollars per year off your company- and then firing 5000 people?

You give me a billion dollars once, and I could work for free for the rest of my life. The kind of reality these people live in is pretty sick.

My friend used to hobnob it with the upper upper classes in New York. Her (ex) boyfriend's father was extremely wealthy and influential. She said that the children of these people... who were going to inherit all this wealth and these companies... had no idea how the real world worked. She said that she had trouble going to lunch with them, because they would drop $400 on a bottle of wine without thinking twice. She lost her job- and one them told her that it was a great opportunity to just relax and travel for a year. They didn't realize she supported herself with that job- because that wasn't a concept that was part of their world.

Setting aside the agenda, I just wonder what these sit-ins are going to end up costing the taxpayers in terms of police presence. I'm alo confused as to what they want me to do.

The police are hired to work a certain number of hours. They are going to be on the street- whether Wall Street, the donut shop or some other street- anyways.

I think they expect you to complain about the inequity in our society and raise your voice so that eventually something changes. Because the alternative (which we've been doing for the past fourteen years at least) is to bend over and take it while the middle class, along with all our right and protections, slowly disappears.

I'm not sure whether this is really an international movement.
There were protests in Italy, Spain and (of course) Greece, before this "occupy Wall-Street"-thing. Even the nature of the recent demonstrations in these countries equals those demonstrations before (violent in Italy and Greece, peaceful in Spain). Germany is a pretty leftist country, with lots of active protesters, who will take up any reason to go demonstrating (I always considered their demos rather meaningless).

I've no idea about the other European countries.

And there were already student-protests in some Latin-American-countries, but they focused on student/university-related issues.

Are there any demonstrations in Asian countries so far?


However, this does not mean, that I'm without sympathy for the "occupy Wall-Street"-movement. Hmm, some time ago, one of my professors mused about the potential for (threat of) social clashes in the U.S....e

I graduated from college during an earlier recession, moved back in with Mom and Dad, and failed to find a job in my field. By this time, the prospect of working for one employer for decades, raising a family on one paycheck, and retiring with a pension, had flown out the window. Fortunately, my college education was less than three thousand a year with room and board. I managed to find some kind of steady work, get married, and buy my first home by the time I was 25.

Today, many young adults are saddled with massive student loans instead of mortgages. Meanwhile, some communities have so many vacant houses that squatters are posing a problem for the fire departments. The American Dream seems further out of reach than ever.

While sympathise with these protestors, I see pictures of people holding up such a variety of signs that I wonder if they need focus, perhaps in the form of a charismatic leader.

I'm not saying that there is no reason to revolt, I'm just doubting it's an international movement.

The American economy always relied on cheap labor. Cheap labor to watch after other people's children, houses; work in restaurants, pick up crops etc. When some menial labourer managed to become a millionaire, s/he had to be replaced with an other cheap hand.

The prospects of jobs depends on your general education (here in Germany, we have institutionalised vocational training, so general education is not that important. But this system is eroding, though). With fees ridiculously high (especially for law and business-schools), poorer students are almost excluded. Those from poorer families have thus almost no chances to change their social status.

No need to mention the health care system. A small-business employer is loosing competitiveness, when s/he offers a health-care scheme, which leaves his/her employees without protection.

Right now, there is an awful lot wrong in America. It's everywhere, but at other places it still doesn't hurt that much, ...yet.

You're right about that, Catfish. Sometimes I read amazing or horrifying stories of what people have done, in order to reach U.S. soil illegally. Everything from elaborate disguise, to crossing rough seas in makeshift boats, has been tried. I've read of a stowaway freezing to death in the wheel well of a commercial jet, of Mexican "coyotes" leaving their smuggled passengers to die in desert heat, and of Chinese illegals being found alive welded into a cargo hold.