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Killing A Superhero...

TrollHammer

It occured to me the other day, or rather, has occured to me the last few years, but only just the other day I put the thoughts into order, that we (well, american culture, at least) is fighting hard to kill superheroes long before we have any actual such beings.



What I mean is, a superhero could not come to be in actuality. We wouldn't allow it. A hypothetical "super" being could appear somehow, and they would be "legaled" to death. Superman? Iron man? Batman? It doesn't matter who they are, what they can do, what good they intend or how much they bennifit others, they would be torn apart one way or other.



This concept isn't new, it's been explored many times over in the last decade or so as writers explore the difference between a "hero" and a vigelante. A form of this has been touched on in EQ, as characters explore their own morals and ethics. At this point, though, in real life, if there was the slightest question of the perfection of the hero's life, scandal would erupt rapidly, pointing to the sligtest flaw as a sign of monumental hypocracy.



Further, even if the "Hero" was beyond reproach, how would they be commissioned? Would they be a federal agent, which would not be able to operate on many local levels, or would they be forced to act strictly on a local level, with special rules to allow them to act in whatever method they need to?



For example, Superman, at any given movie, acts as an EMT, firefighter, Judge, law enforcement, transporter, pilot, freight operator.... many others as well. Not only that, but in order to keep from falling under "vigelante" status, he would need to file flight plans with the FAA, ensure that whatever actions taken do not violate FCC regulations, weigh out the precise amount of force taken to enforce the law, make sure he isn't violating NATO regs.... it would take years, even at super speed, just to memorize all the laws reguarding all the things he does, and I'm sure there would be hundreds law suits, requests to appear in court, etc, etc, etc.... He'd never get anything done.



And forget slipping on a pair of glasses as a disguise. Today's facial recognition has become so fast, so efficient, so all encompasing it's a standard feature on most new smart phones to automatically label images of people.... I'm sure Google, Bing, governments, and any other amounts of interested parties that wish to could easily connect any high profile individual with any private life they wished to lead.



Of course, then there's the question of what such an individual should be responsible for. Let's say a Superman shows up, with all the usually powers. He could work at super speed around the clock non stop with just the smallest town and still not make everything perfectly fine, and this would be considered a waste of his time at that! But if we only "make him" do "big" stuff, like tsunami rescues, tornado deflections, earthquake suppression, asteroid aversion... It would reduce the work load, but still leave the issues of "could he have done more?" Sure, he rescued the tsunomi victims, but shouldn't he have had his ear to the ground and just stopped the hazard to begin with? What happens when he has an earthquake in LA, a massive hurricane in Florida, an oil spill in the Gulf, a stock market crash in New York, a dictator executing ethnic groupd here and there all at the same time? Do you prioritize on potential populatoin affected? By ease of aid? By duration of "easiest first", by what you feel like? The world is a big place, and if you don't have all your ducks in a row, you're going to be blamed for no doing more.



Further, unless commisioned by something that can pay up for damages, almost any amount of aid by a superstrong entity will eventually result in collateral damage, and who pays for it?



Well, I'm turning into a zombie. Just my thoughts, what's your's?

Embala

In short? ... That's the reason why couldn't answert the question "What superpower would you like to have?".
Too much responsibility. Never being good enough. Never achieving enough. More problems left than solved.

TrollHammer

Embala said

In short? ... That's the reason why couldn't answert the question "What superpower would you like to have?".
Too much responsibility. Never being good enough. Never achieving enough. More problems left than solved.



But it shouldnt be that way, in my opinion. While perhaps not wild and crazy like flying, everyone has a talent or skill, and we dont hold them accountable to do everything they can.

A writer or painter or repairman or mother... They arent frowned on if they dont soend every waking moment doing what they do... A good writer puts out a book, on average, every year or so, but if they REALLY tried they COULD put out two or three a year.
A painter (house or canvas), could make a proper painting in an hour, when they really get going, but no one frowns if they dont churn out 40 paintings a week, or if whatever paintings they do arent liked by everyone (or if they dont get as many houses as they can in a given time, or if the color isnt pleasing to everyone).

Point being

TrollHammer

Point being that if we were to have a unique individual show up, they shouldnt be unduely burdened, but as things set now, I dont see it being worth their while to do much for anyone.

Embala

"Anyone esle" is not super. They are beings like we are. And we know that we need breaks and don't want to / cannot work on top level all the time. So we accept it as normal and don't expect more.

It's the nature of being "super" that brings the problems.

This guy can do "everything" in comparism to us. So we expect everything ... or at least: Why doesn't it do it for me / us / our community when he did it for other?

The things we expect them to do are vital in most cases. When a crime, a catastrophy, an accident happens we cannot say "Okay, fix it tomorrow!" ... it need tzo be done the very moment.

And these guys are RARE. When your preferred writer doesn't deliver a second or third book in a year - you'll discover another one. When the painter next door has no time to do your walls now - you call someone else.

Embala

Last not least ... it seams to be our nature to expect unrealistic things from our chosen super"heroes". We create our Superstars - in sports, entertainement, politics - and expect that their next goal is at least as well achieved as the last one - OR BETTER. They are not allowed to fail anymore. When they do (and failure means not being on absolute top anymore) we blame and accuse them.

Getting better, doing "your best" all the time is a honorable principle. But when you have reached a certain level you cannot be THE BEST all the time. Others do the same, playing in the top range as well, and change is natural there.

But for some reason "change" is not accepted when it comes to the so called superstars. What we expect is a straight line pointing UP - getting better and better with each time. What it always will be is a curve with up and downs, even when the curve itself points upwards. But each "natural" down is considered a fail and media doesn't make it better. They seek for the next sensation only to feed their readers/viewers ... and there are more sensation seekers than superstars.

But even in this case there ARE plenty of superstars (real ones and shortly pushed ones) and the attention can concentrate on somneone else. And the real stars can get a break, recover, concentrate on a new project - and show up on top again. THE SUPERHERO on the other hand ... even when there would be a few at the same time would never be able to escape attention and this vicious circle.

Embala

It's the nature of being "super" - from super heroes we expect MORE than from us normal beings. Otherwise they would not be super, but specialized workers with rare skills. And these rare skills would be rationalised and distributed be a group (institution, government, company) the way those bosses think makes most use.

PCoquelin

What strikes me is how Batman has always been the less "super" hero one among super-heroes.

He is human, with no supernatural power, no cybernetic extension, no mutation whatsoever.

Yet he fights crime with all his will and means.



And he hates guns.
And he does not kill.

And I approve.

And I still howl..



..for Jason.

PCoquelin

What I mean is, a superhero could not come to be in actuality.


Of course a superhero could come to actually exist!

Be it with the help of technology, or huge financial means, or science, or whatever may help.

Of course many people would not ADMIT the superhero to exist.

The real question, the only thing that matters is..
..what would DRIVE someone to go to such lengths as becoming a superhero?...


Why not simply observe, prepare and aim, instead..?





"Of course we're criminals!
We've always been criminals..."



(Batman - The Dark Knight returns - Frank Miller)

TrollHammer

Embala said

Last not least ... it seams to be our nature to expect unrealistic things from our chosen super"heroes". We create our Superstars - in sports, entertainement, politics - and expect that their next goal is at least as well achieved as the last one - OR BETTER. They are not allowed to fail anymore. when they do (and failure means not being on absolute top anymore) we blame and accuse them.

Getting better, doing "your best" all the time is a honorable principle. But when you have reached a certain level you cannot be THE BEST all the time. Others do the same, playing in the top range as well, and change is natural there.

But for some reason "change" is not accepted when it comes to the so called
superstars. What we expect is a stright line pointing UP - getting better and better with each time. What it always will be is a curve with up and downs, even when the curve itself points upwards. But each "natural" down is considered a fail and media doesn't make it better. They seek for the next sensation only to feed their readers/viewers ... and there are more sensation seekers than superstars.

But even in this case there ARE plenty of superstars (real ones and shortly pushed ones) and the attention can concentrate on somneone else. And the real stars can get a
break, recover, concentrate on a new project - and show up on top again. THE SUPERHERO on the other hand ... even when therre would be a few at the same time would never be able to escape attention and this vicious circle.


Exactly. We see this all the time (in America at least), where TV, movie stars, sports stars, and the like are put on such a pedistal, then come crashing down at the slightest slip of the tounge, or even the allegation of such.... We are all just human, even if some of us are better at some things than others, but somehow (media again) the slightest studder while on the rise causes panic... Much like stock markets, come to think of it.

@PC Dont forget abiut Green Arrow. Supposedly, as the story goes, he's just a normal person that developed a strong survival skill, centering on the use of a bow. There are variants of Batman that allude to Bruce Wane having a higher than normal intelligence (one of the origional Detectives of Detective Comics, if I understand correctly. I definately could have that wrong).

I should mention that there is at least one group of real life Costumed Crimefighters running around. I have no idea how they function alongside law enforcement, as they are actually very consious about this. As I understand, they function under similar rules of Bounty Hunting and use the Citizen's Arrest clause to perform arrests, but as to the details Im not sure. A friend of mine used to work as a dispacher for them. I had also seen a news report about it years ago. They do have rather interesting uniforms, as I understand, full of gadgets, body armor, and the like, though I dont believe they use so much as a grappling hook.

I think the reason they havent fallen victim to public outcry, persecution, scrutiny, or harrasment is they keep quite a low profile and are careful to follow strict guidlines aa to what they do. As such, they are relatively unknown.